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Cafe Mozart San Francisco

From: Tim
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com 
Subject: recipe request - Cafe Mozart, San Francisco

I loved the Indonesian Lamb Stew at Café Mozart, on Bush Street in San Francisco.  
They closed a few years ago; any chance of finding the recipe?   

Tim

Hello Tim,

There were some points of interest in this search, although I had no success finding a recipe. The only mention that I found of “Indonesian Lamb Stew” in regard to the Café Mozart was in a comment in this item regarding the closing of the restaurant: SF Eater

Indeed, I found almost nothing regarding “Indonesian Lamb Stew” anywhere at all, Café Mozart or not.

When I search for restaurant recipes, I usually do a general search on the restaurant itself. I can often find clues in the history of the establishment and in reviews of the restaurant, and it’s not unusual to find a copy of the restaurant’s actual menu online. I found several reviews of Café Mozart containing comments about the restaurant on Nob Hill that closed in 2010. Some said it was indeed San Francisco’s “Most Romantic Restaurant”, as it advertised itself, but one called it “creepy.” As for menus, I found two that were linked with Café Mozart in San Francisco. One contained German dishes, and the other French dishes. Since most reviews of Café Mozart referred to it as a French restaurant, I believe the French is the correct one and the German one is an error. There is a “Café Mozart” in San Juan Capistrano that appears to serve German food.

The French menu is here: Cafe Mozart Menu
It does not have “Indonesian Lamb Stew” listed, but it does have this dish:

Ragout D'agneau du Chef
Tender morsels of lamb cooked in fresh herbs, Marsala wine, and spices of the East Indies (South Pacific), over a bed of linguini.

Perhaps this is what you mean. A “ragout” is a kind of stew, and “spices of the East Indies” might refer to Indonesian spices. A waiter at Café Mozart, when asked by a customer to describe “Ragout D'agneau du Chef”, might simplify it as “Indonesian Lamb Stew.”

However, I had no success finding either a recipe with the exact name of “Ragout D'agneau du Chef” or a recipe for “Ragout D'agneau” that had any mention of Café Mozart.

There are a number of recipes for just “Ragout D'agneau” on the Internet, and some have photos. If you want to look at them, just use “Ragout D'agneau” as your Google search term. All of the ones that I saw were in French, so use the Google Translate feature unless you speak French.

You might also try to locate Cafe Mozart’s owner Fredy Fahrni and ask him for the recipe.

Phaed


Hardee's Mushroom & Swiss Burger

From: Barbara 
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:03 AM
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com 
Subject: Hardees

Plz I have a close recipe for the hardees mushroom and swiss,just not the same

Hello Barbara,

The last time I had a Hardee’s Mushroom and Swiss burger was at least ten years ago, if not more. They were a nice change from a regular burger, especially when on a sourdough bun. We don’t have a Hardee’s in Maine or even in the states bordering us.

We often think that it would be simple for a Hardee’s kitchen employee to just post such a recipe on the web. It’s not that simple. Such things as seasonings and mushroom sauces are not made from scratch at each Hardee’s. A big chain like Hardees wants their mushroom and Swiss burger to taste the same in every store. So, they either mix up seasonings for each product they sell and make things like mushroom sauce at a central commissary or else they have them made by a third party vendor. Either way, the seasonings and sauces are made elsewhere and are shipped to the various store locations. The local Hardees employees have little or no idea how to make them. The only folks who have the actual recipes are the corporate headquarters, the commissary employees, or the third party vendors. Those folks are usually under employment regulations to not give out the recipes. Also, the recipes used by those commissaries or third party vendors are bulk recipes, recipes for making pounds of seasoning and gallons of mushroom sauce, not small amounts for home use.

So, when you see a recipe for something like this on the Internet, it’s almost always a copycat or a “tastes-like” recipe, and that’s all I could find in this case. Searching with Google for “Hardee’s mushroom and Swiss burger recipe” gets several dozen “hits”. I checked a couple of dozen of them, until the links began taking me to malware sites. All of those sites have exactly the same recipe except for one, and that one only differs from the others in that it calls for two teaspoons of Worcestershire instead of one. See these sites for the two recipes and below on this page for the most common one, which is probably the one you already have:

Food.Com

Pinterest

Phaed

Hardee’s Mushroom and Swiss Burger Recipe

Ingredients

1 (10 1/2 ounce) cans Campbell’s Golden Mushroom Soup
1 (4 1/2 ounce) cans Green Giant Sliced Mushrooms
1 teaspoon Worcestershire Sauce
4 slices processed Swiss Cheese (no holes)
4 (1/4 lb) Hamburger Patties
1/2 teaspoon Accent Seasoning
1/2 teaspoon Lawry’s Seasoned Salt
1/4 teaspoon Ground Pepper
Directions

Mix the first three ingredients together, put on low heat and let simmer.
Mix the Accent, Lawry’s and pepper together and put in a shaker.
Season the patties with this and fry or grill until done – don’t press on 
the patties – you must resist this impulse!
Put patty onto a bun, then the Swiss, then the sauce and you’re done 
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From: "james" 
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com
Subject: hardees mushroom sauce
Date: Sunday, June 25, 2017 10:32 AM

I have a friend who has a friend who is a manager at Hardees and I asked
about the mushroom sauce. It comes in a bag, just as you said.. Here are
the ingredients. Good luck in making this!!!

HARDEE'S® FOOD ITEM CONTAINS  Mushroom Mushrooms, Water, Mushroom Seasoning
[Modified Waxy Corn Starch, Hydrolyzed Soy, Corn and Wheat Protein, Salt,
Maltodextrin, Partially Hydrogenated Cottonseed and Soybean Oils,
Monosodium Glutamate, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Autolyzed Yeast
Extract, Caramel Color, Beef Flavor (Contains Disodium Inosinate and
Guanylate), Beef Fat Shortening (Rendered Beef Fat, Corn Syrup Solids,
Sodium Caseinate, Mono and Diglycerides, Citric Acid), Onion Powder, Garlic
Powder, Spice, Silicone Dioxide to prevent caking, contains sulfites],
Onions, Liquid Margarine [Liquid and Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Water, Salt,
Vegetable Mono & Diglycerides, Soy Lecithin, Natural and Artificial Flavor,
Beta Carotene (color), Vitamin A Palmitate added], Modified Food Starch,
Dehydrated Garlic, Spices,

This is also posted on the Hardees website under ingredients: Hardee's Ingredients

Burger Chef Mushroom Burger

From: Barbara 
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:03 AM
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com 
Subject: Burger chef mushroom burgers

Burger Chef used to have a mushroom burger, I cannot even come close to that

Thanks

Hi Barbara,

There was a Burger Chef in the town in which I grew up. However, it was never as popular as a McDonald’s clone there called “Colonel Dixie.” I never had a mushroom burger from Burger Chef, just the regular hamburger.

I had no success at all finding any recipes from Burger Chef. Lots of people wax nostalgic about Burger Chef, but that hasn’t resulted in any recipes being posted.

I would say the odds are that Burger Chef locations received their mushroom sauce canned or frozen from the corporation, as I said about Hardee’s. It’s just not practical to make such things from scratch at the individual locations of a chain restaurant.

I did find this on a message board at: Roadfood

...the current (Hardee's) Mushroom-Swiss Thickburger (while, well, thicker) uses the original Burger Chef recipe for the mushroom sauce. In fact, you'll sometimes even see the Burger Chef logo hidden in the corner of advertisements for that burger. Go grab one - it'll bring back the memories.

So, it appears that if you ever find a recipe for the mushroom sauce at either Hardee’s or Burger Chef, you’ll have it for both.

Phaed


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