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All-American Burger Chili

----- Original Message ----- 
From: eric 
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 AM
Subject: All American Burger

I'm looking for the recipes from the All American Burger, a chain of burger 
joints in Southern California from the late sixties to the mid nineties. 
Specifically the recipe for their chili on their chili burgers.


Hello Eric,

Sorry, I had no success with this request.


Shell's Restaurant Clam Chowder

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Vicki 
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:10 AM
Subject: Recipe for Shells Restaurant Clam Chowder


I am hunting for a recipe for the Clam Chowder recipe that the 
Shells restaurants served.

The restaurant was Florida based (Tampa, Orlando, etc.).  The chain
closed in 2008 and filed bankruptcy.  We ate their chowder many 
time at the 2 Cincinnati area restaurants.  (Both closed a few years ago.)

The chowder was very rich and creamy - milk or cream, lots of 
meat, possibly cream cheese, very favorable, and was a slightly pink shade.

Unfortunately, this is all I can recall. 

Thank you in advance for many help you can offer.


Hello Vicki,

No luck. Requests for this recipe are on message boards all around the web, and no one has had any success with a recipe or a copycat. When Shells went bankrupt, all of the restaurants did not close. See:

Shell's Seafood Restaurants

When asked about their clam chowder recipe, Shells was pretty blunt about it. See:

Shell's Clam Chowder


Fermented Cabbage Soup

----- Original Message ----- 
From: tessa 
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 5:21 PM
Subject: Fermented Cabbage Soup

My Jewish Hungarian grandmother used to make a fermented cabbage soup for Passover. 
It was a white soup, served cold, possibly with sour cream. I remember a knee high 
porcelain crock behind the sofa in her living room. I really don't remember more 
than this, but my brother would love to make it. Any help greatly appreciated.
Love your site. Keep up the good work.

Hi Tessa,

Sorry, no idea what that might be. There are Hungarian cabbage soup recipes and there are Jewish cabbage soup recipes, but I found none that mentioned using cabbage fermented in a crock.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tina 
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Fermented Cabbage Soup

Happy New Year, Phaed!

I was just reading the request that Tessa sent for fermented cabbage soup. 
It seems to me that she may be thinking of sauerkraut soup, since sauerkraut 
is fermented cabbage. That would explain the crock behind the sofa, since 
sauerkraut is made in a crock. I don't have a recipe to offer, but I did a 
quick search and came up with quite a number of hits (over 11,000) under the 
parameters of "Jewish Sauerkraut Soup".  Given that it was apparently served 
at Passover, it's likely that it would be similar to the preparation for borscht. 
I hope this helps, at least a little.


Hi Tina,

Well, if I go to Google and type in ["jewish sauerkraut soup"] in quotes, I only get one hit, and that one leads to a broken link, not a recipe. I think the difference is that you are not typing in the quotation marks. If you don't use the quotation marks, and just type in [jewish sauerkraut soup] as the search terms on Google, then those 11,000 hits that you are getting are every page on the web that has the words [jewish] and [sauerkraut] and [soup] on them - not together to form the phrase "jewish sauerkraut soup", but individually anywhere on the page. That's one of the tricky things about search engines. Try it both ways and you'll see.

I considered the fact that cabbage fermented in a crock is sauerkraut and I thought of sauerkraut soup for Tessa, but nearly every saurkraut soup recipe that I found contained pork ribs or kielbasa or some other kind of sausage - that's certainly not Jewish. A few contained beef, which she didn't mention and which doesn't sound like a Passover dish. One contained "cranberry beans", which wouldn't be the white soup that she described. Your e-mail did spur me to try again, and in a database where I could eliminate the ribs and sausage and beans as ingredients, I found the below Czech recipe, which I am sending to her. It's not Jewish or Hungarian, but it has no meat, would be white, and it has the sour cream that she mentions. It's the closest that I've found to her description.

Thanks for your help. It's appreciated!


Czech  Sauerkraut  Soup

3 pts. water
1 c. sauerkraut
1 c. potatoes, cubed
1 c. sour cream
2 tbsp. butter
3 tbsp. flour
1 egg yolk
Salt & pepper to taste

Boil kraut and potatoes in the water for 15 minutes or until potatoes are cooked. 
Mix sour cream, butter, flour and egg yolk.  Slowly add to soup mixture, stirring 
constantly.  Heat through, season to taste. 
Dear Phaed,

Thanks for the research you did. I don't think it had potatoes and I know it was 
served cold , but I really don't remember more as I'm considerably younger than 
my brother ( 6 years) . I'll pass it along to him. But thanks again.


Betty Crocker Sauce

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Susan 
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: Old Betty Crocker sauce recipe

I found your website while trying to find online the recipe for a tangy bbq-style sauce 
I tasted yesterday at a neighbor's party.  She said she got it from an old Betty Crocker 
cookbook of the "Cooking for Two" ilk, a wedding gift when she first married.  Her kids 
are in their late 20s to early 30s, so maybe something from the late 70s.  The original 
recipe has the word "sweet" in the title.  It is loaded with celery seed.  I mentioned 
it to another friend who is of that era, and she thought she remembered the dish because 
of the heavy celery seed.

My neighbor seems reluctant to actually share the details of the recipe with me, and I 
don't know her very well at all.  So I'm hoping you can help me avoid having to go back 
and try to pry it out of her.  I did search your site without success.

The sauce is sweet and tangy so probably brown sugar and vinegar?  Lots of celery seed. 
Probably some Worcestershire.  Maybe some Tabasco.  Didn't look like it had ketchup in 
it, but I can't be sure as she had added some cranberry sauce as her contribution to the 
original.  I thought it would be easy to find, but I can't seem to filter out the "noise" 
that surrounds searches for barbeque or sweet & sour sauces.

Thanks for any insights you can offer.

Ojai, California

Hello Susan,

Well, filtering out that "noise" is an issue that I have to face every time I do a recipe search. In situations where there is a lot of it, the only way to narrow the search to a practical number of pages is to have unique, exact information.

If I put all those things that you mention into my search criteria, I have no success. There are many pages with those words on them, but checking a reasonable number of those pages reveals no single barbecue sauce (or sweet & sour sauce) recipe that contains all those things and says that it is from a Betty Crocker Cookbook. I tried to find one with "sweet" in the name, but that was not successful, either. There are several dozen barbecue sauce recipes with celery seed, brown sugar, vinegar, worcestershire, etc (one is below). Your recipe may indeed be on the Internet, but if the person who posted it on the Internet didn't specifically state "This recipe is from a Betty Crocker cookbook, then how is one to identify it?

There are just too many pages on the Internet that contain the words "betty crocker", "barbecue", "celery seed", "vinegar", "brown sugar", and "worcestershire", and when one checks those pages, those words usually turn out to be in different recipes on that page rather than in one single sauce recipe.

I will post your request on my site - perhaps another reader will recognize the recipe or has all of the Betty Crocker Cookbooks and is willing to check them and send it in if found.


BBQ  Sauce

1 tsp. salt
1 tsp. chili powder
1 tsp. celery seed
1/4 c. (or less) brown sugar
1/4 c. vinegar
1/4 c. Worcestershire sauce
1 c. tomato catsup
1 c. water
Few drops Tabasco

Simmer 1/2 hour.  Vary:  Cook 1 grated onion and 1 minced clove of garlic 5 minutes 
in butter and add to sauce. 

Julia sent this recipe:

Was reading your request from Susan from Ojai, California and I have the recipe book 
(Betty Crocker's New Dinner for Two cookbook)
Here is the recipe:
Sweet and Sour Sauce
1 cup catsup
1 cup water
1/4 cup brown sugar
1/4 cup Worcestershire sauce
1/4 cup vinegar
1 tbsp. celery seeds
1 tsp. chili powder
1 tsp. salt
1/8 tsp. pepper
few drops of Tabasco
Mix ingredients in saucepan; bring to boil.  Use as basting sauce and serve remainder 
in individual dishes as a dip for barbecued ribs.  Makes 2 1/4 cups.

Love your site--Julia 

From: "Marla" 
Subject: Betty Crocker Sauce
Date: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:09 AM

Happy New Year! Marla here in St. Louis.  Love your site. What a work of love. 
I have 2 more recipes from the Betty Crocker Dinner for Two Cookbook for Susan, 
whose request was posted on 1/1/10. Seems like these are pretty basic sauces
 and could be tweeked by a creative cook.
Page 52
Texas Barbecue Sauce:
1 C. Tomato Juice
1/2 C. Water
1/4 C. Catsup
1/4 C. Vinegar
2 TB. Worcestershire Sauce
2 TB. Brown Sugar
1TB. Paprika
1tsp. Dry Mustard
1tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. Chili Powder
1/8 tsp. Cayenne Pepper
Mix in saucepan, simmer 15 min.
Page 102:
Barbecued Lamb Riblets
Barbecue Sauce:
1/2 C. Catsup
1/4 C Vinegar
1/4 C. Water
1TB. Worcestershire Sauce
1/2tsp Salt
1/2 Med. Onion, minced
Mix, pour over riblets
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Twelfth Printing 1971

J. L. Hudson Tiramisu

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Katrina 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:03 PM
Subject: J.L. Hudsons Tiramisu


I am looking for the J.L. Hudsons Tiramisu recipe.  I've never had Tiramisu that tastes 
that delicious.  I does not taste like your typical homemade tiramisu that is served at 
Italian restaurants.  The flavor seems like its factory produced then shipped it.  Its 
similar to The Cheesecake Factory's Tiramisu.


Hi Katrina,

Sorry, I had no success locating that recipe.


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