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Napoleon & Jello

On 9 Jan 2005 at 5:35, donna wrote:

> The Jell-o Website (history sections) says Napoleon
> ate jello. But that's all they say. What do you know
> about this?
> =====
> Donna 

Hi Donna,

Well, I couldn't find the Jello site or page with that statement. The Kraft Foods Jello Site history page doesn't have it, and the Jello Museum site history page doesn't have it. I'm not questioning that there is a Jello site that has a page with that statement on it, I'm just saying that I couldn't find it.

Kraft Jello Site

Jello Museum

Be that as it may, the key question is "Which Napoleon?"

Napoleon the First, or Napoleon Bonaparte, the most famous of the Napoleons, Emperor of France, died in 1821. The period that is called the "Napoleonic Era" ended in 1815. The gelatin dessert product that was to become "Jell-o" was invented & patented in 1845 by Peter Cooper.

So there's no way that Napoleon I could have eaten Jell-o.

The same holds true for Napoleon II, son of Napoleon I by by Archduchess Marie Louise. He died in 1832, 13 years before Cooper created his gelatin dessert.

Louis Napoleon, King of the Netherlands from 1806 to 1810, was the brother of Napoleon I. He died in 1846, so there's a very slim chance that he could have eaten Cooper's product. But he died in exile in Florence, Italy, and there seems little chance that Cooper's product could have been available there.

Cooper didn't accomplish much in regard to marketing his gelatin dessert. His product was quite different from the Jello we know today, being made from sheets of gelatin and not flavored. It wasn't until 1897 that Pearle B. Wait of LeRoy, New York, developed a fruit-flavored version of Cooper's gelatin. Wait's wife May named it Jell-o. The first flavors available were strawberry, raspberry, orange and lemon.

Wait was not the world's greatest marketer, though and his product didn't catch on. In 1899 Wait sold the Jell-o business to his neighbor Francis Woodward for $450. Woodward's marketing skills were what launched Jell-o.

The next member of the Napoleon family of note was Napoleon III (1808 - 1873), the son of Louis Napoleon, who was Emperor of France from 1852 to 1870. It's possible that he sampled Cooper's product, but it wouldn't have been called Jell-o.

Next came Napoleon Joseph Charles Paul Bonaparte (1822 - 1891), a nephew of Napoleon I. He was never emperor of France, but he did serve in the French government for a time. He also could have possibly sampled Cooper's product.

So, it seems to me that the statement that you cite is misleading, at best. All of the notable Napoleons were deceased before Jell-o was Jell-o.

The statement might refer to "gelatin" instead of "gelatin dessert" or "Jell-o". Gelatin was used in such things as aspics and jellied meats even before Jello was created, BUT it was NOT "Jell-o".


"She Will Be Loved"

On 10 Jan 2005 at 21:44, Charla wrote:

> What is the maroon5 song "she will be loved" about? My husband thinks
> it is about a prostitute.

Hi Charla,

Well, when I first read the lyrics, and saw "out on your corner" and "tap on my window", I thought your husband was right. However, reading what the singer has to the say about the song, I found that was incorrect.

First, forget the video. It's based on the movie "The Graduate" about a guy having an affair with an older woman. It really has little to do with the song lyrics.

Reading about Maroon 5, I found that the lead singer, Adam Levine, says that the songs on the Maroon 5 album "Songs About Jane" are about a real person. That person was his ex-girlfriend, who was really named Jane. They had a really up and down, on again - off again relationship, and that's what the song "She Will Be Loved" is really about.

He said:
"'Jane is my ex-girlfriend,' says Adam,25,who also plays guitar. 'I was infatuated with her for a long time. I wrote songs about the beginning and end of our affair, and also about the many times we tried to get it together again.'"


Maroon 5

So, re-reading the lyrics with this in mind, Here's my interpretation:
It's about a guy who's in love with a girl who is not as much in love with him. She sees other guys and not just him exclusively. He's always there for her. She has other relationships, and when they end, she goes back to him for a while. Then, when she meets someone else she likes, she's off again.

Lyrics below.


"She Will Be Loved"

Beauty queen of only eighteen
She had some trouble with herself
He was always there to help her
She always belonged to someone else

I drove for miles and miles
And wound up at your door
I've had you so many times but somehow
I want more

I don't mind spending everyday
Out on your corner in the pouring rain
Look for the girl with the broken smile
Ask her if she wants to stay awhile
And she will be loved
She will be loved

Tap on my window knock on my door
I want to make you feel beautiful
I know I tend to get so insecure
It doesn't matter anymore

It's not always rainbows and butterflies
It's compromise that moves us along
My heart is full and my door's always open
You can come anytime you want

I don't mind spending everyday
Out on your corner in the pouring rain
Look for the girl with the broken smile
Ask her if she wants to stay awhile
And she will be loved
And she will be loved
And she will be loved
And she will be loved

I know where you hide
Alone in your car
Know all of the things that make you who you are
I know that goodbye means nothing at all
Comes back and begs me to catch her every time she falls

Tap on my window knock on my door
I want to make you feel beautiful

I don't mind spending everyday
Out on your corner in the pouring rain
Look for the girl with the broken smile
Ask her if she wants to stay awhile
And she will be loved
And she will be loved
And she will be loved
And she will be loved

[in the background]
Please don't try so hard to say goodbye
Please don't try so hard to say goodbye

I don't mind spending everyday
Out on your corner in the pouring rain

Try so hard to say goodbye

A & W Chili Dogs

On 11 Jan 2005 at 1:16, carol wrote:

> Hello,
>   My name is Carol. I am looking for an original recipe for the hot
> dog sauce from the old A&W hot dog franchise. I live in Michigan, and the
> hot dog stand has gone out of business. I have tried to duplicate it
> by mixing catsup with cocktail sauce with a touch of onion, but it
> just isn't right. I sure do miss that sauce!! It was the greatest. I
> would appreciate it if you could help me. 
> Thank You,
> Carol In Michigan


See below for three versions.


A & W Coney Sauce

5 pounds hamburger
2 small onions, finely chopped
64 ounces Hunt's tomato paste
64 ounces canned tomato puree
1 1/2 cup sugar
1/3 cup cider vinegar
2 tablespoons chili powder
1 tablespoon pepper
1 tablespoon celery seed
3 tablespoons salt PLUS
1 teaspoon salt
Brown hamburger and onions in very large skillet; drain. Add remaining 
ingredients and simmer for 3 1/2 hours. Stir frequently, as it will tend 
to stick. This freezes well. 

Author's note: To get that authentic taste, use only Kogel franks and 
rehydrate dry minced onions in boiling water.
A & W Chili Dog Sauce

2 cups finely chopped onion
3 pounds ground beef
1 cup vinegar
2 cups sugar
2 tablespoons salt
4 tablespoons celery seed
1 (6-oz.) can tomato puree
4 tablespoons chili powder
1 tablespoon pepper
Saute onion and brown the hamburger. Add remaining ingredients and simmer, 
stirring often, until desired consistency. (The simmering step can also be 
done in a crock pot on low.) 
A & W Chili Dog Sauce 2

3 pounds hamburger
2 teaspoons salt
1 onion, chopped very fine
4 cups Del Monte ketchup
1 (2-oz.) bottle Mexene chili powder, or to taste
1 cup water
Place all ingredients in large saucepan. Mix well. Bring to a boil, 
then simmer for 1 hour. Make sure to stir often to keep sauce from 
burning or scorching.

More Hot Dog, Chili Dog & Coney recipes

Loose Hamburgers

On 11 Jan 2005 at 11:45, Rick wrote:

> Hi!  Is there a recipe for loose hamburgers such as is served at the
> downtown coney island shops in Detroit? Or any of the Greek
> restaurants?...Thank You.. 

Hello Rick,

The only recipe called "loose hamburgers" that I can find is the first recipe below, but it just sounds like "sloppy joes" to me. The other two are for Greek hamburgers, just on the off chance that one might be close to what you mean. I'm not familiar with "loose hamburgers".


Colorado Loose Hamburgers      

1 1/2 lb. ground beef
3 tbsp. vegetable oil
1 bunch celery, chopped
1 lg. onion, chopped
1 green pepper, chopped
1/2 can condensed tomato soup
1 c. ketchup
1 tbsp. celery seeds
1 1/2 tsp. salt
2 tbsp. flour
1 tbsp. brown sugar
1 tbsp. vinegar
1 tbsp. prepared mustard
Hamburger buns

Brown meat in oil in a large skillet. Add remaining ingredients and cook 
slowly until vegetables are done (about 1 hour). Spoon onto hamburger buns. 
Makes 15-18 hamburgers, depending on how much goes on bun.
Greek Hamburgers      

1 1/2 lb. lean hamburger
2 tbsp. olive oil
3 cloves garlic, minced
3 tbsp. red wine (dry burgundy type)
2 tsp. oregano
2 tbsp. Dijon mustard
Salt and pepper to taste
Fried onions for topping
Sliced tomatoes
Mix the hamburger with the following 6 ingredients. Cook as per your 
favorite method and top with fried onions on a toasted bun. We always 
add lettuce and tomatoes. Go easy on the mayonnaise, mustard, or relish. 
Makes 6 hamburgers.
 Detroit Greek Burger      

1 c. feta cheese
1/4 c. sliced ripe olives
1 tbsp A-1 steak sauce
1 tsp. lemon juice
2 tbsp. mayonnaise
6 basic hamburgers, cooked
3 pita bread, cut in half
6 tomato slices
1 c. shredded lettuce

Rinse and crumble feta cheese. Combine cheese, olives, A-1 sauce, 
lemon juice mayo. Place hamburgers in pita bread. Spoon topping over 
hamburgers. Heat in preheated 425 degree oven for 5 minutes. Garnish 
with tomato slices and lettuce. Serves 6.

Welsh Rarebit

On 13 Jan 2005 at 22:50, John wrote:

> My grandmother use to put milk on the back of the wood stove and leave
> it there all day and when it was really think she dished it up warm
> and served it with cream and sugar.  I loved that pudding but cannot
> find the recipe.  My mother said there was no flour in it but she was
> not sure.  Can anyone help me find this recipe?
> Grand mother also made welsh rabbit which she kept on the back of the
> stove for the room renter that came in after we had all gone to bed. 
> It had clumps in it and was served over toast.  It was not poorly made
> but this was also very good.  Can anyone help me out on making this
> old dish.  I think she dropped eggs into the cheese but I am not sure.
> Can anyone help me with this.  Thank you. John 

Hello John,

Sorry, I can't find a milk pudding recipe like that. See below for a Welsh Rarebit recipe.


Welsh  Rarebit

 Ingredients :
 2 tbsp. butter or margarine
 1 lb. sharp Cheddar cheese, shredded
 1/2 tsp. powdered mustard
 Dash of cayenne
 1/2 tsp. salt
 1 tsp. Worcestershire
 1/2 c. beer, ale or milk
 2 eggs, slightly beaten
 8 slices toast

 Preparation :
    Melt butter in top part of double boiler or chafing dish over
 direct heat.  Add cheese, and heat, stirring occasionally, until
 cheese is melted.  Put over boiling water, add seasonings, and pour
 in the liquid mixed with eggs.  Cook until thick, stirring
 frequently.  Serve on toast or cornbread, with garnish of parsley.
 Makes 4 servings.  NOTE:  If you are trying to find ways to use that
 leftover ham, add 1 cup chopped ham to above recipe.


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