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Once is Happenstance

On 2 Feb 2008 at 8:53, Shelia wrote:

> Since you look for other things than recipes, have you run across the
> source of:
> 
> Once is happenstance.
> Twice is circumstance.
> Three times is the thing itself.
> 
> or
> 
> Itís not what it should be, and itís not what it could be, but it is
> what it is.
> 
> I've found the version credited to Auric Goldfinger in Ian Fleming's
> book Goldfinger:
>      "Once is happenstance ... Three times is enemy action"
> but I can't track down the other, although it may be a corruption. 
> 
> Thanks -- and I promise to stop asking questions, at least for a
> while.
> 
> Shelia 

Hi Shelia,

Okay, well, this was interesting to me, because I was a fan of the original James Bond novels by Ian Fleming. I first read the quote in "Goldfinger" by Ian Fleming, which was published in 1959. It was also used in the movie, but in the book the three phrases were actually used as chapter titles.

This is the movie quote:

"Mr. Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: 'Once is happenstance, Twice is coincidence, Three times is enemy action.'" (Auric Goldfinger to James Bond)

I found several versions of the quote, such as these:

"Once is happenstance; twice is coincidence; thrice is sabotage."
"Once is happenstance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern."
"Once is happenstance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a tradition."
"Once is happenstance, Twice is coincidence, Thrice is the Devil's hand"

Before I began searching, I thought it was probably a revision of a much older quote. The last version above, with the third line "Thrice is the Devil's hand", sounds almost Shakespearian. However, I was surprised by what I found.

Other than hundreds of attributions to Ian Fleming, I found single attributions to such varied sources as Julius Caesar, Winston Churchill, and Star Trek's "Romulans." However, these attributions must be taken with a large grain of salt, because there was no reference given for any of them, and they were all just in messages posted on message boards, not from any reputable source. I found nothing to indicate that the quote existed before the 1959 publication of "Goldfinger." Nor did I found anything to indicate that it actually originated in Chicago or with mobsters of any sort. I could not find any version with the third line being "Three times is the thing itself." I could not find that second quote that you give at all.

Based on what I was able to find regarding the quote, I would have to lean towards the quote being original with Ian Fleming, and the original version as being the one in the book "Goldfinger": "Once is happenstance, Twice is coincidence, Three times is enemy action."

Phaed


Pap Soup

On 2 Feb 2008 at 13:13, Freida wrote:

> I was born and raised in Bedford County, Pennsylvania on a farm.  My
> Mother, grandmother's and Aunts often cooked something we called Pap
> Soup.  We often ate it as a light supper.  It consisted of boiled
> milk, flour, egg and vanilla.  It has the consistency of pudding and
> we added sugar to the soup before eating it.
> 
> Have you ever heard of this dish?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Freida 

Hello Freida,

"Pap soup" appears to have been popular during the Depression. I found the first recipe below. I also found a recipe for "ripple soup", which is similar but with sugar added to the dish beforehand instead of at the table.

Phaed

Pap Soup 

6 egg yolks
3/4 cup sugar
1 cups milk
pinch of salt
dash of vanilla

Combine egg yolks and sugar, mix thoroughly until smooth. Set aside. In a medium
Saucepan, bring milk to a boil. Add salt and vanilla

Gradually pour the egg mixture into the hot milk, stirring constantly.
Bring sauce to a boil for one second. Cool a bit, pour over bread on a plate.
Sprinkle with sugar If you want it sweeter. Makes about 3 cups
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Ripple  Soup

4 1/2 c. milk
2 c. flour
2 eggs
1/2 c. sugar
1 tsp. vanilla

In large pan heat milk.  Mix in separate bowl flour and eggs.  Stir into hot milk. 
Cook and stir until a thickened consistency.  Add sugar and vanilla.  May be served
in bowl with cold milk poured over it.
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Sandra 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:53 AM 
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com 
Subject: Pap soup 

My husbands family is from Bedford county Pennsylvania and his mother had a recipe for pap soup and soda crackers.  
I did a Google search for pap soup because I was making it for my husband today and a friend said she'd never 
heard of it and I laughed and told her it's probably because it didn't exist.  Imagine my surprise to see a 2008 
request for it from someone who grew up eating it from the same area.  My recipe is different so I thought I'd share.  

Pap Soup

2 cups milk
1/4 cup flour
2 tablespoons sugar

Reserve 1/2 cup of milk and heat the other 1 1/2 cups.  Once it is warm mix the flour and sugar into the remains milk 
and stir. Then slowly pour it into the warm milk and continue to heat stirring until thick.  Serve with brown sugar s
prinkled on top

Soda Crackers:
Place Saltine crackers in a bowl and sprinkle with 1/4 Cup sugar, butter and cinnamon 
Pour 1/2 Cup boiling hot water over them.  Cover and let stand to absorb water a few minutes.  Serve with pap soup

Thank you,
Sandra

S & W Cafeteria

-On 2 Feb 2008 at 8:29, Shelia wrote:

> Since you are a Southerner, have you found any recipes from the S&W
> Cafeteria which used to be on Peachtree Street across from Davison's
> Department Store?  My all-time favorties were their Deviled Crab, Bran
> Muffins, and Japanese Fruit Cake.  I know there are plenty of recipes
> in cookbooks for those dishes, but if there are any S&W specific ones,
> I'd love to have them.
> 
> Thanks for such a great web site for us addicts!
> 
> First Name:  Shelia

Hi Shelia,

Sorry, no luck with the three you list. The only S & W Cafeteria recipes that I can locate are the two below.

Phaed

S&W Chess Pie

2 1/4 cups sugar
1 1/2 sticks butter or margarine
1/3 cup cornmeal
4 tablespoons all-purpose flour
1/4 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon nutmeg
1/2 cup egg yolks
1 1/2 cups milk
1 (10-inch) unbaked pie shell

Blend together sugar and butter. Stir in cornmeal, flour, salt and nutmeg. Add egg
yolks and mix. Add milk and mix until smooth. Let stand 30 minutes before filling 
pie shell. Pour into unbaked pie shell that is rimmed up high at the edge. Place in
325 degree oven and bake until done, about 45 minutes
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S & W Macaroni Salad Clone

Box small elbow macaroni - cook enough to feed your group.
Clove garlic
1 can pimento stuffed green olives - sliced
small yelow onion
2 stalks celery cut into small biys
yellow medium sharp longhorn cheese
1 cup Hellman's real mayonaise
salt and pepper

optional: one locally grown vine-ripeded tomato, cut into small cubes.

Directions:
Cook macaroni using box directions. Drain and rinse well.
Cut the garlic clove and season the bowl by rubbing it with the cut end.
Slice olives into the bowl.
Chop onion - small bits - add to the bowl.
Chop celery into the bowl.
Add cooked macaroni. Mix.
Add one quarter cup mayonaise and mix. Add more mayo to moisten and to taste.
Salt and pepper to taste.
Shred once cup cheese and toss with the other ingredients.

Optional. Add tomatoes if desired. 
Chill.
(Clone by Louise Diggle)

Tamale Dressing

On 2 Feb 2008 at 23:40, jo wrote:

>  am looking for a dressing using tamales. Can you help me? thanks. My
>  name is Jo 

Hello Jo,

See below.

Phaed

Tamale Dressing 

2 cups each: toasted bread crumbs and corn bread crumbs
3/4 cup each, chopped: onion and celery
1/3 cup chopped bell pepper
2 tablespoons chopped fresh parsley
1 to 2 teaspoons poultry seasoning
4 eggs, slightly beaten
6 cups chicken or turkey broth
8 tamales (fresh or frozen), crumbled
Salt and freshly ground black pepper, to taste 

In large mixing bowl, combine bread crumbs, corn bread crumbs, onion, celery,
bell pepper, parsley, poultry seasoning, eggs, broth, tamales, salt and pepper. 
Pour into greased 3-quart pan or casserole. Bake at 350 degrees about 11/2 hours.
Dressing may be prepared ahead of time, except for baking, and frozen. Makes 8 to 
10 servings.
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Tamale Dressing  
 
2 cups each toasted bread crumbs and corn bread crumbs  
3/4 cup each, chopped: onion and celery  
1/2 cup chopped bell pepper  
2 tbls chopped fresh parsley  
1 to 2 tsp poultry seasoning  
4 eggs, slightly beaten  
6 cups chicken or turkey broth  
8 tamales, crumbled  
salt and freshly ground pepper to taste  
 
In a large mixing bowl, combine bread  
crumbs, corn bread crumbs, onion,  
celery, bell pepper, parsley, poultry  
seasoning, eggs, broth, tamales, salt  
and pepper.  
 
Pour into greased 3-quart pan or casserole.  
 
Bake at 350 degrees 1 1/2 hours.  
 
Dressing may be prepared ahead of time,  
except for baking, and frozen until  
time to bake.  
 
Makes 8 to 10 servings.  
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Tamale Dressing

ingredients :

   2 cup cornbread crumbs 
   1 x Onion, chopped 
   3 stalk Celery, chopped 
   1 x bell pepper, chopped 
   2 tbsp. Chopped fresh parsley 
   2 tsp. Poultry seasoning 
   4 x Eggs, hard boiled, chopped 
   6 cup chicken broth 
   8 x chicken broth 
   1 lb Blue Cheese, crumbled 
   1 tsp. Each salt and pepper 

Instructions:

1. In large mixing bowl combine all ingredients, tossing well.
2. Pour into greased 3 quart casserole.
3. Bake at 350 degrees for 1 1/2 hours.
4. Makes 8 servings.

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