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Long John Filling

*From:* Jacob
*Sent:* Sunday, March 01, 2015 8:32 PM
*Subject:* Donut Filling

  Hello Uncle Phaedrus:

 As a child, I frequented Noble's Bakery, a family owned business in my
 hometown. My favorite pastry was their long john, an oblong donut filled
 with a cream and topped with chocolate and pecans. My question is, "What
 was that cream?"

 Here's what I know:

 1.  I have had the same filling at two other family owned bakeries, but
 not at a chain such as Krispy Kreme or Dunkin Donuts.

 2. It isn't holland cream.

 3. It's not bavarian cream.

 4. It's a very pale yellow, and evidently non-perishable.

 I have searched for pastry fillings that can be purchased since I have
 had it in more than one bakery in more than one town, but can't find what
 I'm looking for. Can you help?



Jacob, I need to know your hometown, the town where Noble’s bakery was located.


 *From:* Jacob 
 *Sent:* Monday, March 02, 2015 10:59 AM
 *Subject:* Re: Donut Filling

  Sure thing… Kinston, North Carolina.

 I've had the same filling from Mickey's Bakery in Goldsboro, NC in their
 cream puffs (but not their long johns) as well as from Sugar Plum Bakery in
 Virginia Beach, VA.


Hello Jacob,

Well, when you begin by telling me it’s not Bavarian Cream and not Holland Cream, and not the filling used by Dunkin’ Donuts or Krispy Kreme, and I cannot find a clue anywhere about what sort of filling was used by Noble’s Bakery in Kinston or is used in Mickey’s Pastry Shop in Goldsboro or in Sugar Plum Bakery in Virginia Beach, then I have no way to determine what you are looking for, and I cannot locate a recipe. Your clues about the filling are all negative – what it’s not. I understand that you have no positive clues, but without them or without a name for the filling, then I have no way to locate it. The bakeries you name don’t say what their filling is called on their websites, and there’s no way for me to find out. In many parts of the country, long johns are not filled at all, just glazed or frosted. I found this statement: ”Long Johns are usually filled with jelly, confectioner's cream or vanilla pudding.” Many people say the best ones are custard-filled.

There’s a custard-filled long john recipe here: Yammie's Noshery

There’s a confectioner’s cream recipe here: Taste of Home

More examples of long john filling:

Persnickety Palate


Amish Shop

If the filling is truly non-perishable, then it would probably be something like the filling in Hostess Twinkies or the below recipe.

If what you want is none of the above, then I can do no more than just post your request and hope that a reader can help.


 Creme Filling

     * 1 cup shortening
     * 1 cup confectioners' sugar
     * 1 cup white sugar


    1. Using an electric mixer, whip shortening in a medium bowl with
 confectioners' sugar and white sugar until creamy, 5 to 10 minutes.
From: "Jacob" 
To: "Phaedrus" 
Subject: Re: long john Filling
Date: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:18 PM

At least I don't feel alone in the lack of information about this filling!
Thanks for posting, and I will continue to try and find it. My biggest hint
so far is that it is the consistency of holland creme, but not the color. I
plan to try mixing holland/bavarian cream, as well as trying to make
holland creme with butter-flavored shortening and adding dry vanilla
pudding mix. Here's to hoping I can come close. Thanks again for your help.

B Altman's Charleston Garden Walnut Cake

-----Original Message----- 
From: Coleen 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: Walnut Cake from B. Altman's Charleston Garden Restaurant


I love that you have this website & hope you can find my requested recipe. I 
can help you, if you need Italian recipes. I have many from my grandmother & 
have successfully followed them. Examples are Sicilian Ricotta Cake, 
Biscotti (almond, anise, etc.), Baccala Stew (Cod), Italian Knot Cookies, 
Baklava, etc.

My quest is for the Walnut Cake from B. Altman & Co. that I often had at the 
Mall at Short Hills, New Jersey location. The Dept. Store had a 
restaurant/luncheonette, called the Charleston Garden, with a Bakery at the 
entrance.  While working at the Mall, we should walk there for treats & 
birthday cakes, often. The Walnut Cake was a 2-layer, frosted cake; covered 
in walnuts…reseed into the frosting; top & sides. The frosting was a tan 
color & the cake was tan with dark speckles. The baker of that location was 
cheerful, kind and friendly black man, that was the baker until that 
restaurant closed. The smell was heavenly & each bite was light & perfectly 
balanced textures of moist, creamy & mild crunch.  I’d LOVE to make this 

Thanks For Your Efforts,

Hi Coleen,

Thank you.

Sorry, I had no success finding anything at all about B Altman's walnut cake from any of their stores or from their Charleston Garden Restaurant. I did find one of their menus here: Scholar's Archive

There was a note on a message board that the baker from Charleston Garden had moved to Florida and possibly passed away. I'll post this on my site in case a reader can help.


Lukhard's Market Meatloaf

From: Ann 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 11:34 AM
Subject: Lukhards Meat Loaf

Lukhards was a small grocery store chain in Richmond, Virginia.  It closed down in the 1990's I think.  
In their meat/prepared food department, they had the most delicious meat loaf that you took home to bake.  
I know it had what looked like canned tomatoes in it.  I have looked and looked for this recipe, to no avail.  
You know it must have been a good recipe if it was a memorable MEAT LOAF.  I would appreciate help finding it!  


Hello Ann,

Sorry, although I found a few mentions of Lukhard's, I cannot find even a mention of the meatloaf. I’ll post your request in case a reader can help.


From: "gwen" 
Subject: Information on Lukhard's Market Meatloaf
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:04 AM

Hello Phaedrus,

Happy new year to you, sir. I hope you are enjoying unseasonably mild
temperatures as we are here in Washington, D.C. And might I add,it is such
a pleasure to continue to read and support your work!

In response to this request:

In 1998, a request was made to the Richmond-Times Dispatch for this recipe.
Their response follows:
“The secret to Lukhard's meatloaf is a seasoning blend by Old Mansion Foods
that is only available to the food service and industrial markets. However,
the same meatloaf is currently available at the Stonewall Market on Grove

Stonewall Market is now closed as well, but I found another article from
2009 which writes that the owner of Glen Allen Supermarket “hired butcher
Tammy Oley, who had worked at Stonewall Market in Richmond before it closed
in June. Oley is making some of the same prepared salads and meals as she
did at Stonewall Market. Her selections include meatloaf and shepherd's
However, according to the following facebook post, Tammy Oley has moved on
to a new market, Yellow Umbrella Provisions, also in Richmond, Virginia:

Perhaps the requester could visit the new store and see if by any chance
the meatloaf is the same, or if the butcher knows anything about Lukhard’s
original recipe.

Additionally, the former owner of Lukhard's is named Bob Wilcox, and is
mentioned in a 2014 article in the Richmond Dispatch Times (
Perhaps the requestor could reach out to the author of the article and ask
the author to contact Bob Wilcox on their behalf? It's legwork, but if the
craving persists, it might be worth it. The author of the article's email
is at the end of the article:


Old Mansion Foods is at 3811 Corporate Rd, Petersburg, VA. Their website is Old Mansion Foods

True, they are only a wholesale food service operation, but sometimes a little begging goes a long way.

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