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Breta Griem's Amazing No-Bake Cathedral Window Fruitcake

From: "Nancy"
To: phaedrus
Subject: Breta Griem's Cathedral Window No Bake Fruit Cake
Date: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:41 PM

I am responding to a question that Kelly posted in December 2002 about Breta Griem's No Bake Fruit Cake.  
I am Breta Griem's grandaughter and I just got off the phone with my mother, Breta's daughter, to see 
if she had the recipe.  Sure enough, she had it on Breta's personal stationary!  The recipe is as follows:

Breta Griem's Cathedral Window Fruitcake/NO Bake Fruit Cake

1 package 7 oz pitted dates 
.5 lb candied red or green pineapple, sliced fine
.5 lb raisins
.5 lb mixed candied fruit
3 oz diced citron (prepared type)
.5 lb pecan halves
1 T orange juice
1 tsp lemon juice

Grind dates and raisins together using fine blade.  Add remaining ingredients and knead with hands.  
Press into small bread pan lined with wax paper.  Bring paper up the sides so it can be lapped over cake.  
Place weight on top of cake and put in refrigerator for 48 to 72 hours.  Slice thin for serving.  Cake 
can be kept in refrigerator for one year.

My mother also said she has a fruitcake recipe you bake.  You start it in October to be ready by Christmas.  
It is basted regularly with Blackberry Mogan David Wine.  If anyone is interested I will ask her to pull
out the recipe.

Arabian Ribbon Cake

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kenneth 
  To: phaedrus
  Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 1:03 PM
  Subject: Cake recipe

  Dear Phaedrus,

  My mother was telling me about a cake recipe that she enjoyed many years ago but has since lost 
  the recipe.  She called it an "Arabian Ribbon Cake" and thought that it might have come from a 
  cake flour pamphlet, Swan's Down or the like.  (I did already e-mail White Lily but it's been 
  almost two weeks and they have yet to respond.  I looked on the King Arthur's web site but 
  couldn't find anything listed in their archives.  And I haven't been able to find a Swan's 
  Down web site...)  

  It was a vanilla cake separated into three layers and baked in a bundt pan.  Two thirds of the 
  batter formed the bottom and top layers while the last third was mixed to create a center ribbon.  
  She remembers cooking raisins with orange juice to mix into the ribbon layer.  Any ideas?  I would 
  love to surprise my mom w/the recipe but understand that I haven't given you much to go on.  
  Thank you for your help.  



Hi Karen,

I can only find one recipe with that name, and it doesn't have the orange juice and raisins. see below.


  Arabian Ribbon Cake


  3 cups flour sifted  
  3 teaspoons baking powder  
  1 teaspoon salt  
   2/3 cup butter  
  11/2 cups sugar  
  3 egg yolks, well beaten  
  1 cup milk  
  3 egg whites, stiffly beaten  
  Second Half  
       1/2 teaspoon cinnamon  
       1/4 teaspoon cloves  
       1/2 teaspoon mace  
       1/2 teaspoon nutmeg  
       3 teaspoon dark molasses  
  Sift flour once. Measure, add baking powder and salt. Sift together 3 times. Cream butter thoroughly. 
  Add sugar gradually and cream together until light and fluffy. Add egg yolks, beat well. Add flour 
  alternately with milk, a small amount at a time, beating after each addition until smooth. Fold in 
  egg whites. Fill one 9 inch layer pan. To remaining mixture, add spices. Turn mixture into 2 greased 
  9 inch layer pans  and bake in moderate oven  350F 

Blueberry Pie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "louis" 
To: phaedrus
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:58 PM
Subject: Blueberry pie

> I checked the archives for a good blueberry pie and found none.  Could you
> provide me with a good recipe for blueberry pie??  Thank you.
> Lou West

Hello Lou,

Try these.


Old  Fashioned  Blueberry  Pie

 Ingredients :
 1 unbaked 10 inch pie shell with top crust
 3 c. fresh or frozen (unthawed) blueberries
 1 1/4 c. plus 1 tbsp. sugar
 1 tbsp. lemon juice
 3 tbsp. quick cooking tapioca
 1/2 tsp. cinnamon
 1 tbsp. butter or margarine

 Preparation :
    Preheat oven to 400 degrees.  In a bowl, mix blueberries, 1 1/4
 cup sugar, lemon juice, tapioca.  Pour into unbaked pie shell.
 Sprinkle with cinnamon, dot with butter or margarine.  Cover with
 top crust, flute edges and vent top.  Sprinkle top crust with 1
 tablespoon sugar and bake for 40 to 50 minutes.  If crust starts to
 darken before pie is done, cut foil strips to lay over edges.
 Blueberry  Pie

 Ingredients :
 1 (8 oz.) container sour cream
 2 eggs
 1/2 to 3/4 c. sugar
 1 tsp. vanilla
 1 tsp. cinnamon
 1 c. blueberries
 1 pie shell

 Preparation :
   Mix 2 eggs and sugar.  Add sour cream, vanilla, and cinnamon.
 Fold in blueberries.  Pour into pie shell and bake at 350 degrees.
 Approximately 50 to 60 minutes or until set.  Chill and serve.  Keep
  Old  Fashion  Blueberry  Pie

 Ingredients :
 4 c. flour
 1 c. shortening
 1 tsp. salt
 1/2 c. butter or margarine
 1 egg
 1 tbsp. vinegar
 6 tbsp. water
 3 c. blueberries
 1 c. sugar
 1/2 c. flour
 1/8 tsp. salt
 1 tbsp. butter

 Preparation :
    Cut shortening and butter into flour and salt until size of peas.
  Beat egg, vinegar and water and pour into flour and shortening
 mixture.  Toss gently until combined.  Roll on floured board or
 cloth until size to fit pan.  This makes 3 single crusts or 1 double
 pie and 1 crust.  Combine berries with flour, sugar and salt.  Pour
 into pastry lined pan.  Top with butter.  Top with plain or lattice
 crust.  Flute and seal edges well.  Bake at 450 degrees for 10
 minutes, reduce to 350 degrees for 30 minutes.
  Blueberry  Pie

 Ingredients :
 4 c. blueberries
 1/2 stick butter
 2 tbsp. flour (approx.)
 1 tsp. cinnamon
 1 c. maple syrup

 Preparation :
   Fill prepared pastry crust with blueberry.  Sprinkle them lightly
 with flour and cinnamon.  Dot with butter and pour maple syrup over
 top, cover with top crust and sealed edges with a fork.  Make three
 slits in the top crust and bake in 350 degree oven for about 30
 minutes.  Serve with Cool Whip or heavy sweet cream.
   Blueberry  Pie

 Ingredients :
 Unbaked 9" double pie crust
 2/3 c. sugar
 3 tbsp. cornstarch
 1/8 tsp. salt
 1/4 c. water
 5 c. fresh blueberries, divided
 1 tbsp. plus 1 1/2 tsp. butter
 1 1/2 tsp. lemon juice

 Preparation :
    Heat oven to 425 degrees.  For filling, combine sugar,
 cornstarch, salt, water and 3 cups berries in saucepan.  Cook on
 medium heat until mixture thickens and begins to boil.  Remove from
 heat.  Cool slightly.  Place remaining 2 cups berries in unbaked pie
 crust.  Stir butter and lemon juice into cooked filling.  Spoon
 cooked filling over fresh berries.  Cover with top crust.  Flute.
 Cut slits or design in top crust or prick with fork, for steam to
 escape.  Bake for 30-40 minutes.

Thacker's Hamburgers

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Milli 
  To: phaedrus
  Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 6:43 PM
  Subject: Thackers

  Does anyone remember Thackers across  from the good year tire plant in Akron, Ohio? 
  It was a carry out place where you bought these little hamburgers covered with onions 
  and sold by the bag???

  I would love to have the recipe for their burgers. I think maybe the grease they fried 
  them in may have had something to do with the flavor.

  They were absolutely delicious. They were on little square buns. This was in the 1950s.


Hi Millie, I've never heard of Thacker's, and there weren't any copycat recipes for Thacker's on the web. However, Thacker's hamburgers sound to me just like the Krystal hamburgers that we've had for five decades in the South, and Krystal's in turn, are like the famous White Castle hamburgers of the 1950's. Phaed

I've since received e-mails saying that Thacker's burgers are nothing like White Castle's or Krystal's, both of which are also little burgers covered with onions and on little square buns. Ok, fine - but no one has the recipe for Thacker's burgers, and no one seems to be able to say specifically what made Thacker's different.


---- Original Message ----- 
From: Jim 
To: "Phaedrus" 
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: (no subject)

Thacker burgers

they did not use hamburg  buns, it was more like a dinner roll, they had sheets of, them.
the meat was put on the grill and mashed down hard
the rolls were cut and pickle and onion were put on the bottom of the bun,
when the meat was crisp around the edges they would place the tops on the meat and press down 
to soak up the grease
i think the secret was the rolls were sweeter then buns and the onions were sliced super thin 
and you did not dare ask for kechup or mustard.

All well and good, but except for the rolls, that description fits Krystal & White Castle hamburgers. Were the rolls the only difference?

Hello Sir,
Ah, I remember the old Thacker Burgers on East Market in Akron, Ohio, fondly. 
The brown paper bags would drip with grease.  My understanding is they evolved into Hamburger Stations.  
But the old burgers...were special.  Its generally agreed among friends and family that they used sheep 
or mutton tallow to grease the grill and flavor the meat.  No promises.  It does explain the special flavor.  
Tasty yet not over powering, and they were greasy.
To bad.  Hamburger Station is good, mustard, pickle, and mounds of onions... just missing that extra grease and flavor.
Hope that helps some,

Gluten-Free Recipes

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Marcy
  To: phaedrus
  Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:46 PM
  Subject: gluten free diet

  Dear Phaedrus,
  I am looking for ANY gluten free recipe's. I have a friend who's sister is autistic and requires 
  a gluten free diet.
  This request could offer her some variations in her diet. Her mother shops at a health food store 
  and her diet is limited.
  I found the wheat free items in your archives but they contain cornstarch.
  Let me know what you find.
  It would be greatly appreciated.
  Thank you,

Hello Marcy,

I must beg off this request. Searching for "gluten free recipes"and then having to check each one to see if it contains cornstarch is just too time-consuming.

I will, however, tell you how to do it:

1) Go to

2) In the seach box, type in: "gluten-free" recipes
Type it just like that - with gluten-free in quotation marks, then a space, then recipes, with no quotation marks around the word recipes

3) Click on Google Search

4) You will get several pages of links to websites with gluten-free recipes. Go to each one and check out the recipes until you have found what you want.

Sorry, but I have limited time to give to this, and I can help more people by limiting my searches to specific, individual recipes.



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